As for stand-alone (compiled) bots.

[nuaru]

As I've already said we will add something similar, but not in form ubot has it.
I wanted to make a clarification for people who are asking us not to add this feature.
Something like that, I had told our Russian clients, when they asked to make ZennoPoster private.
The fact is that if the market need a feature, then it will be realized. We or someone else, but it will be done.
For our customers it is benefit if it is gonna be done by us. Since the software that you bought and have used for a while spending your time, becomes more valuable.
So do not be upset when we add this feature. It is quite possible you will use it when you see how it is implemented.

 

[lokiys]

It will be soon ? With official release ? Or after 10 years ?

 

[nuaru]

It has high priority.

 

[Clinton]

That sucks! Liked it much better that way it was.

 

[lokiys]

Can you please explain a little more about compiled bots. I'm interested in - can i'll use bot from zenno on all my PC ? Because now i bought ubot for that. I need very simple bot but i need to use it on 100+ my VPS So if zenno will give me that choose, i'll asking refund from ubot. So please please Nuaru answer to this quastion.

 

[drvosjeca]

that is what they are promissing, but nobody knows when is that going to happen...

 

[nuaru]

Can you please explain a little more about compiled bots. I'm interested in - can i'll use bot from zenno on all my PC ? Because now i bought ubot for that. I need very simple bot but i need to use it on 100+ my VPS So if zenno will give me that choose, i'll asking refund from ubot. So please please Nuaru answer to this quastion.

In ZennoPoster threads are sold in point of fact, that run your bots. This won't be changed. That is, you won't be able to make copies of a bot and run it on 100+ VPS, and on top of that in 10+ threads.

For the creation of a stand-alone bot there will be a small fee. This bot will run simultaneously on one machine (as ZennoPoster). That is, for sale it will be fine, but to run on 100+ VPS will not work.

If you need IP adresses of these VPS, you can install proxy server on them and run bots from one machine in 100+ threads through these proxies.

With ZennoPoster MP, you can create very powerful bots and nobody get profit if they fall into public.
That is, if you want to make and sell the bot, be sure that no one will do the same and do not share it for free.

 

[lokiys]

Thanks for answer. Then there will be better solution for me to use Ubot.

By the way it looks like (другой софт) - Ubot - Zenno Poster has deal about not making same features what other have. Like botmaster team said we do not make nothing like zennolab team etc.

Anyway thanks.

 

[no1youknowz]

I really don't understand what is being said here.

Can you please write this again nuaru, being more clear?

 

[nuaru]

By the way it looks like (другой софт) - Ubot - Zenno Poster has deal about not making same features what other have. Like botmaster team said we do not make nothing like zennolab team etc.

Most people only need the stand-alone bots for sale. When we add this feature, you will be able selling your bots. So there is no reason to say that we have some agreement with ubot. Moreover, when finish this feature we will have everything that ubot has, but ubot won't have a lot of our features.

I really don't understand what is being said here.
Can you please write this again nuaru, being more clear?

I do not know what else I can explain in more detail.

 

[hop]

When compiled bots function will be ready? I think many people need this information.

 

[no1youknowz]

For the creation of a stand-alone bot there will be a small fee. This bot will run simultaneously on one machine (as ZennoPoster). That is, for sale it will be fine, but to run on 100+ VPS will not work.

If you need IP adresses of these VPS, you can install proxy server on them and run bots from one machine in 100+ threads through these proxies.

I really didn't understand this bit.

In my mind, a compiled bot should be completely separate from a the ZP program.

So if I have 100 VPS, then I should be able to install the compiled bot on each of the 100 VPS.

Why do I need the IPs of the VPS and then install proxies to run threads? This sounds something that is complicated and crazy.

Personally, I don't care about selling bots. What I do care about, is making the best bot for me, but then being able to run that bot with NO RESTRICTIONS. Like you can with ubot.

 

[nuaru]

When compiled bots function will be ready? I think many people need this information.

See here please

I really didn't understand this bit.
In my mind, a compiled bot should be completely separate from a the ZP program.
So if I have 100 VPS, then I should be able to install the compiled bot on each of the 100 VPS.
Why do I need the IPs of the VPS and then install proxies to run threads? This sounds something that is complicated and crazy.
Personally, I don't care about selling bots. What I do care about, is making the best bot for me, but then being able to run that bot with NO RESTRICTIONS. Like you can with ubot.

If you want to run your bot in 100-300 threads, it can be done with one single license ZennoPoster MP Pro. If you need more, then you need to buy a second copy of the Pro version and run the bot in 600 or more threads. Sometimes our clients buy 5 copies to get the desired perfomance. Let bots be installed on 100 VPS is the same, that let to run 10 copies of ZennoPoster simultaneously after the purchasing of only one copy of the program. Obviously, this will not happen. Let us recall that only recently uBot has attached least some laggy system that provides multi-threading. Previously, permission to run bots on a large number of computers been an alternative of multi-threading. I remember that on uBot forum on the question about multi-threading was recommended to install a few virtual machines on PC to run bots there. And uBot still hasn't got a normal system of multi-threading and multitasking. They are trying to compensate for this by possibility to run bots on many machines. We do not need it. Generally, as I know, threads in uBot eat a lot of resources. This is not surprising, because ZennoPoster with the first version (since 200 was created as a multi-threaded software and multi-threading in browsers is a very complicated thing. And we have considerable experience in this matter. For example uBot still can not replace the screen resolution and a bunch of other parameters that are immediately visible. Without substitution of these parameters, the normal services finds out it is a bot per very fast. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, with uBot we can not create really big, serious bots. But with ZennoPoster we can. So it is important to prevent sharing of powerful bots in public, no one needs it neither we nor you In short, I think you understand what is incorrect to compare us with uBot in the context of this feature.

 

[no1youknowz]

Ok, lets put ubot aside. I think we both know that ZP MP > ubot.

I still can't get to the points you are trying to make.

So, here's a straight question:

If I have 1 licence and I compile a bot. On how many different machines can I install it on and how many threads can it run?

 

[johnmay5]

Let me chime in here to clarify the things which i think nuaru is trying to say.

If you have 1 license - you will be allowed to run ZP on one computer only. Number of threads will depend on the version of ZP you have.

What nuaru is trying to say that ubot allows unlimited copies of their software to run as they do not have true multithreading, so they compensate this by allowing you to run as many copies as you want.

I hope this clarifies everything.

BTW, thanks nuaru for clarifying this.

Ok, lets put ubot aside. I think we both know that ZP MP > ubot.

I still can't get to the points you are trying to make.

So, here's a straight question:

If I have 1 licence and I compile a bot. On how many different machines can I install it on and how many threads can it run?

 

[messageinabox]

I am also confused.

So, if I have ZP on computer A and compile a stand alone bot, how many compiled bots can I make that can run simultaneously?

Example: if I compile 1 bot and I have a Standard ZP license, how many computers is allowed to use this at the same time? How many maximum threads per bot?

 

[no1youknowz]

Let me chime in here to clarify the things which i think nuaru is trying to say.

If you have 1 license - you will be allowed to run ZP on one computer only. Number of threads will depend on the version of ZP you have.

What nuaru is trying to say that ubot allows unlimited copies of their software to run as they do not have true multithreading, so they compensate this by allowing you to run as many copies as you want.

I hope this clarifies everything.

BTW, thanks nuaru for clarifying this.

NO LOL. You aren't clarifying anything. All you are doing is stating what is currently known.

http://zennolab.com/en/buy-it-now/version-comparison/

It states clearly what you can do with ZP. We are talking about bots here! A bot does not equal a copy of ZP MP.

I am also confused.

So, if I have ZP on computer A and compile a stand alone bot, how many compiled bots can I make that can run simultaneously?

Example: if I compile 1 bot and I have a Standard ZP license, how many computers is allowed to use this at the same time? How many maximum threads per bot?

Exactly!!!

I'm happy someone is on the same page as me.

I hope we can get away from the comparisons with ubot too.

 

[rostonix]

Nuaru is saying that for your own purposes you will use projects within Zennoposter on 1 PC per 1 license as many threads as your license allowed. Nothing will change by your side at this point. Compiled stand alone bots you will be able to use for sale only.

For the creation of a stand-alone bot there will be a small fee. This bot will run simultaneously on one machine (as ZennoPoster). That is, for sale it will be fine, but to run on 100+ VPS will not work.

 

[messageinabox]

So, if you make 1 compiled bot (Compiled Bot A), can you run this bot to multiple computers?

Example: Computer 1, Computer 2, Computer 3...Computer N - running at the same time

How many computers are allowed to run Compiled Bot A at the same time?

How many threads are allowed to run in Compiled Bot A?

 

[no1youknowz]

So, if you make 1 compiled bot (Compiled Bot A), can you run this bot to multiple computers?

Example: Computer 1, Computer 2, Computer 3...Computer N - running at the same time

How many computers are allowed to run Compiled Bot A at the same time?

How many threads are allowed to run in Compiled Bot A?

Exactly. This is how I see it as well. Thanks for explaining it so well.

Even though, i asked the same question hehe.

If I have 1 licence and I compile a bot. On how many different machines can I install it on (the bot) and how many threads can it (the bot) run?

Hopefully we can get some answers soon!

 

[carmamir]

No, you can't run it like this.

Seems that you will be able to compile bots but buyer would need own copy of ZP (what's difference from templates ?)

Would be great to import templates to .NET Studio...

In simple words, developers is too greedy and won't release real compiled .exe bots... It is his right..

 

[rostonix]

No, you can't run it like this.

Seems that you will be able to compile bots but buyer would need own copy of ZP (what's difference from templates ?)

Would be great to import templates to .NET Studio...

In simple words, developers is too greedy and won't release real compiled .exe bots... It is his right..

Buyers will not need to buy ZennoPoster

 

[anique12]

For selling purpose only no What about Hardcore people who wants to run there templates on their unlimited amount of VPS

 

[rostonix]

Hardcore people can run ZennoPRO with as many threads as RAM will let you )
We both know that those who need tons of threads have business that can afford several copies of ZennoPRO

 

[vij]

I think I understood this. If you are a bot seller, this might be even good because your bot will naturally built in license thingy which will prevent its sharing to more than 1 person/computer.

 

[akash]

this doesnt make sense to me also.

if i make a bot, i can sell to as many people as i want. but if i want to use it on my own VPS(lets say 2 machines) i cannot do this? First of all why not? Second, how will zenno know if i'm using this bot or if i have sold to a friend and he is using?

and if the pro version is truly unlimited, then we should be able to run on 100 VPSs (As per above example)

 

[anique12]

Yeah the better thing would be, that if I own Pro version I can make a bot that can run upto 200 threads (Or whatever Pro is limited to). And then have no restrictions on bot rather then paying a price for exporting bot to .exe

 

[zxcvbn]

It's so confusing...
Let me try to put it in simple words and expect to get a simple answer:

1. Will we be able to compile bots using this new feature? -- I'm guessing yes.
2. Will these bots run on multiple computers? e.g. If I complie a bot and sell it to 100 clients, will they be able to run one copy each on their machine?
3. Will compiling a bot involve some cost/fee?
4. One .exe file can run how many threads per computer for my client?

Thanks

 

[rostonix]

Hello guys

I suggest you to wait or official announcements when this feature will be presented

Anton

 

[neutralhatter]

my guess is that there will be a zenno market place where the dev gets his profits with a fee to zenno, but where zenno is the distribution mechanism so that unauthorized distribution can be controlled.....
This would be the best move, because a lot of seo specialists and IM's will be visiting the market place and zenno will grow exponationally in popularity thanks to the market place because all devs will be marketing it....

Am I right?


PS. just bought zenno, looking forward to code creator, I thought it was already in there so that I can combine with C#